If you don't think you need them... then you need them
These pants are AWESOME! I'm an instructor at my local mountain. I was worried about the pants being too baggy and saggy, but they are not. I wear both waist bands together because I'm not out slaying pow; I'm helping people get down the bunny slope. The pants are super warm even on cold days without a base layer in Pennsylvania. I was out in the sleet/freezing rain and they were dry.
Solid pant, solid company. Get these yesterday!