I've been skiing (yes skiing) in these pants for 3 years and will probably buy another pair. although, with a re-up on some water proofing i could definitely keep rocking them for another couple seasons if i wanted to. so good! with the liners they're warm enough for the coldest days out there even when i only wear boxers under them. And, well, with the liners out i used them yesterday (july 2nd) and they were just what the doctor ordered. oh yeah, and they look dope!