These pants are so thugged out, I feel like I don't have enough guns to shove in the waistband. SUPER baggy. Yeah, it's August but there are some things I noticed right off the bat. 1. Baggy as hell. 2. They're actually denim-- deep blue raw color. 3. DEnim is all they are, no liner or anything so they're pretty lightweight and I'll prob need to wear longjohns. 4. All pockets zip. 5. NO MESH over the innner thigh vents-- Burton WTF? that shit's wack as hell. The venting is a detail, and the style is off the Sickter Scale.