The low down on these......
I live and ride in Park City Utah. Spend a good amount of time on the mountain 5 days a week, sometimes more. I hate wearing lots of layers so i always go for insulated everything. I like a baggier fit so i can move around and be comfortable. Needless to say i was extremely happy when i found these, all the 686 stuff i have bought in the past has been very well made and fit true to the size chart (or maybe a little bigger). I am 5'8, 175, and a size 10. I am very muscular so i usually buy guys pants/jackets/boots/boards/bindings but was really happy when i got these and tried them on! i wear a size 10 in levi's jeans (a little on the looser side). I got these in the black (nicely textured and a true matte black and a great had to the fabric) in the XL and they can NOT be worn without a belt they are so big. This past weekend i went to put them on and realized the crotch had ripped! I have put about 20 days on them (all this year) and was really hoping they would hold up better! also the elastic on the gaiter cuff has ripped on one of the legs. Basically these are great pants if you are a christmas/spring break rider but NOT if you are a 100+ day rider like the description states :( still a well fitting, good looking, and functioning product just not made for serious abuse. back to man pants for me!