These pants are pretty awesome. I just got them yesterday. I thought they would be a little bit looser than they were but apparently I have big thighs so they are a bit tighter than I expected. I planned on getting a ninja suit to wear under them but I don't think I have the room for that haha. I thought about exchanging them for the AK Blaster pants but I think I am going to keep them. They are super waterproof, the water beads up instantly with contact to the pants. I am going to try them on the mountain today.