This is the best jacket ever. The thing must weigh about 6 pounds, no joke, it's the heaviest jacket I've ever owned. I put it on as soon as I got it in the mail and was extremely toasty in the outdoors with it on. I swear this one will keep you warm no matter any condition. Plus the liner just by itself looks awesome too, wear what you will, the liner, the shell, or both, the jacket will look awesome any way you can think of.