Great pants, tested them last week and freakin loved it. Was still toasty dry on the inside despite the fact it started raining and turned the snow to rubbish and got HEAPS of compliments on how they looked. Apparently no one in Australia has ever seen them before lol. However, I will say, they size a little large, if you're in the lower half of the cm/inch range for your size, go the one under. I think I'm going have to get mine taken in a little at the waist. That said, great pants, absolutely stoked with them!!!