better than i could ever imagine
so i bit the bullet and bought these after my vans cirro boots (last years model, bought them this year) hurt my feet worst than any other boot i've owned, needless to say, all of that pain is gone with these. the stiffness on these is still pretty good, which is what i wanted, but its not so stiff that my feet are killing me after one run. i LOVE the toe cap on these because it's as hard as a rock so i can tighten my toe strap until it wont tighten anymore. the lacing system is really good too, i can see these lasting me a long time and i probably wont ever buy another model of boot after trying these.