I put on these boots straight outta the box to try em out. And dang were they comfy. Walked around, great. Then came actually using them. While I like a slightly stiffer boot, these to me were definately on the flimsy side compared to their rating of "medium". The heal hold was horrific, my foot was popping outta these things at every tight carve. I'd probably say if you need a solid boot to take to parks while still needing that overall boot for every day use, good boot. But beware, if you worry bout heel hold, do NOT get these.