These are so cute, but super skinny. At first the water proof and breathability rating concerned me at only at 8,000 (Military standard is 10,000 and Goretex comes in at about 25,000) but i bought them anywho. Best purchase ever, I shred the wasatch so we have a lot of dry snow, none the less the pants held up in the pow and even hiking. You have to be a little smarter about layering if you plan on wearing these pants hiking. No vents. But so cute.