I'm on my second pair of these shoes. They are real comfortable and are a good year around shoe. They are flat that is for sure, less heel than most shoes I wear. My only real complaint about these is the laces wear out pretty quick and pulling at the top has no affect on the lower laces, you have to go through the laces like a boot to get them snug. Overall, good shoes and I probably will keep a pair in my arsenal for awhile.