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3 5

Skied 8 straight days in the Rockies, putting them through the ringer in all conditions... after day three the cuffs started to shred until it created a hole big enough on day 5 that my brake got snagged going down bumps resulting in a massive crash... This has never happened (cuff cuts, yes; a HOLE, no) with any ski pants I've ever owned (say, half a dozen), especially after only a few DAYS on the mtn. Needless to say, not the durability expected from a $500 pair of ski pants...

Other than that issue - they're extremely lightweight (they're not insulated so I wore only 2-3 base layers which held up great in 5-35 degree weather), the inside vents are money, boot gaiters are extremely effective, and the fit is relaxed (M @ 5'10", 170). I'll never get ski pants w/o a bib; incredibly warm/secure when strapped up.