all around i think these are sick pants for snowboarding! I myself love to wear slim fit pants on and off the mountain, and these are the ones you might want to consider! i am currenty riding a pair of grenade fatigue project pants i stitched slim, and i dont wear any underlayers under them and im black haha and i dont freeze! The only downside is that they dont have inslation, and everyone is different when it comes to staying warm so just buy these and wear under layers! these pants are where its at i might order mines today!