I first got a pair of these 5 years ago as a uniform pant to work at Steamboat. I must have put 200 days on them in just 2 seasons from working & shredding in them everyday!! Then I gave them to a buddy & they kept him dry for a season.. Now I get a fresh new pair of Smarty cargo's every other season!! They are super Warm with that liner, I wear the liner in the car on the way to the hill, and around the house, walking the dog, etc.. The shell is super wind & water proof for all conditions!! I use these pants on the Snow machines a lot too, it's nice having lots of pockets in the backcountry!! These are a must have pant!!