These are the best gloves you will ever buy. Unless you want to spend 75+, they can't be beat. I've used these gloves without the liner when it's 40+ degrees, and with the liner in negative windchills. The liner is sick, when you're putting your boots on in the parking lot your fingers don't go numb. The goggle wipe is sick too, I used these gloves last week and got dumped on with over a foot of powder while riding. The glove wipe kept my goggles clean without scratching them. BUY THESE GLOVES!