i wanted to give RVCA a try. man, am i impressed. the fit is perfect, i wanted something shorter - not ghetto clown shorts. they basically come down to the top of my kneecaps and aren't too baggy or tight - perfect. the fabric is stretchy and i love it - makes for an even better fit. i'm still gettin used to the zipper fly but i like that as well. i can't wait to save up some dough so i can buy a few more styles of these shorts. probably the best board short - for the price - i've ever worn. gettum!