I've been rocking Matix since I got my first pair of relaxed fit Triumphs back in 2004. My GF urged me to try the Miners since they were the next "more fitted" fit and they are perfect-loose enough that you don't look like a girl but not baggy enough that you look like a Canadian ledge wigger. Just regular-fit man jeans and now that they've added the 1% spandex they are even better for skating. I'm up to about 7 pairs of Miners. Buy with confidence, worth every penny.