Got these a few weeks ago, found myself pretty surprised by how large they ran in size, specifically in the pant legs. The waist fits fine. I looked them over and tried them on, and concluded I would never wear them... Fast forward a few days, took them out climbing, and took several whippers and slides on the rock. Not even a scratch on these suckers. These things are the real deal. Comfy and tough. Found myself a permanent set of climbing pants.