I would not recommend these pants to anyone. First off they are incredibly baggy, and awkward to board in. More importantly, they absolutely do not live up to their 20000k waterproof rating. When boarding in wet conditions they seem to just soak up the moisture, especially while strapping in. These pants are overpriced (as Burton most often is) and I would highly recommend investing in a pair of gore-tex pants. For this kind of money it doesn't make sense not to.