Denim is much thinner than you would think. I bought these cuz I have last years pair and love them but this years is a much different fit and denim... they must be using a new vendor or something. Last years 34" fit me big and this years 34" barely fit at all. BUT these are SICK jeans and if you get the right fit they are really nice... just thin material, at least on the Richter. Good news is Dogfunk is super cool and hooked up the right size... awesome customer service makes happy customers dogfunk... keep it up!