Got'em on SAC for half price. They appear to be well made. I needed a cheap pair and quick. These will do the trick, especially for $30. Seem a bit on the small side though. I sized up to an XL so I could layer gloves under the shell if i wanted to. I'm glad i did. they are tighter than i would have expected. also, the shells seem to have a bit of insulation in them which would be good for not so cold temps.