i got these for like 130 i think because they were cheap and comfortable. first of all, i get bad pressure points from them with my 08 burton custom bindings, and still a lille with my 09 missions. also, i have a narrow foot and get heel lift no matter how tight, the sole on the heel and toe is peeling back making holes, and they are not watter proof at all. last spring i got them completely filled with water. and last, they now have flex like sneakers. worst pair of my 4 pairs of boots ive owned.