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Well, i just thought i'd share this. I'm 6'3, 220lbs, and i must admit that the XL are kinda tight.

Other than that, they really do look awesome, and unlike my stagger AK pants, they are completely lined with some pretty comfy material.

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I bought both the torque and the havoc last year. Had a chance to test them at not so extreme temps in France last week. -10c and i was actually really cold in the torque under a burton AK stagger 2l pair of pants. The havoc which is much thinner but tighter felt much warmer.

Not sure if i should have downsized or something, or if this should be worn over something else like an insulator layer.

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