These are OK but not great gloves. They are pretty bulky and warm initially but soon pack down and lose their warmth. Also, as one reviewer stated if you plan on much exertion don't use these as they do not breather very well at all and you will soon be left with cold clammy digits.
I used these approx 6 times in the Rockies and they are ready to throw away. The "toughskin" or whatever it is on the palms is weak, it has begun separating and disintegrating around the base of the fingers.
By the afternoon these gloves start freezing up on you too.
I am off to look for some pittards.