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i tried the new verison of this boot last season at demo days with the bao liner and lace fronts and it was amazing. the bao liner pulls your heel into the back of the boot and the ankle support was spimply the best, i have the burton ions from 06 and i am not happy with them so i am looking for something new to replace the not so stiff, stiff burton boot. and the darko is it. but the darko can be used as a stiff boot or a forgiving boot because of the bao lace combo, you keep the bao tight and the laces loose and you can have what ever flex you, and K2 rates it a 4 out of 5 on the stiff chart. great boot looking forward to buying 09/10 pair.