If these pants are anything like the Betty Rides pants and jacket I have now (and have used for one solid season) then they're a complete waste of money. Sure Betty Rides makes aesthetically pleasing outerwear, but that's about it. My jacket started falling apart a couple months into last season. And the pants started falling apart shortly after I got them. They have been deteriorating with each day of snowboarding this season as well. I'm sorely disappointed!!