they really are great. sturdy cord, they go in ear deep enough that you can fit them under your hat or helmet w/out uncomfortable feeling. small enough that you can roll em up into your pocket.my biggest complaint is that the cord dies pretty soon. i already went through 4 pairs of these. they go right near the jack, after 4-6 months depending on use, it will start losing left or right channel (you can than move the cord around to bring it back) and than soon after they die..its frustrating because if the cord area was replaceable, buds could be saved.