after i came back from boarding with wet gloves, i decided it was time for a new pair. my old ones were burtons, but just so beat up (at least 6 years old). so i decided to order another pair. these are very warm gloves, and i have yet to try them out with the liner inside. the gauntlet could be a little longer just to make it easier to pull over the jacket, but they are definitely long enough for good coverage. get them!