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These gloves suck so bad. They were terrible from the first day I wore them. They were really cold. I even wore 2 layers of liners under them and my hands got cold. They're also really stiff and hard to move around in. But, it's what I expect from Grenade. I've had another pair of their gloves and they were cold too. Go buy some Celteks if you have the money to buy these.

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