I had an old pair of thirtytwo "Prospect" model boots that i rode for over 6 seasons. So i bought these thinking they would be just as great. right!? Well they started ripping at the laces first season, and are to soft of a boot. the new linners suck too. Seems like thirtytwo has lost their drive for a quality product. they used to be the best boot in the business. I hope all the new models liners are not like the ones i got. good beginner boot but that is about it.