I got these because I like the 2-in-1 idea. However I returned them because the zipper that connects two pants constantly bothers me. It feels like having an extra something all around my waist. They also feel a bit snug and heavy because of the liner pants. But their pants are in general well-made. I ended up getting another pair of 686 and they felt more comfortable. If you like lightweight and more relaxed fit...these are probably not what you are looking for.